Curious about how to leverage the power of public relations for driving change? Join us as we chat with Jackie Russell, the dynamic founder and president of Teak Media, New England’s only certified B Corp public relations firm. Jackie’s passion for using her PR skills to help non-profits and responsible businesses grow is truly inspiring. Through her partnership with the Jimmy Fund of Dana Farber Cancer Institute, she has demonstrated the transformative impact of strategic PR efforts in promoting noble causes and impactful events.
In our polarized world, the challenge for purpose-driven brands is real. Jackie brings her wealth of experience to shed light on these challenges and the responsibilities of businesses. She candidly talks about the importance of authenticity in marketing and the real danger of greenwashing. She also shares her insights about how vocalizing company values can attract both positive and negative attention. Moreover, Jackie reveals the significant role Teak Media plays in the National Conscious Capitalist Movement and the Boston chapter of Conscious Capitalism, reinforcing her belief in the power of businesses to be a catalyst for good. Tune in to hear from a seasoned PR expert who is making a real difference.
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Jackie Russell: If we’re going to rely on nonprofits to solve our country’s problems, our community’s problems, our climate’s problems, we’re in trouble. And we need business to not only be helping in the solutions, but stopping the problem.
Brittany Angelo: Thanks for joining us for this conversation today with Jackie Russell. Jackie is the founder and president of Teak Media, New England’s sole certified B Corp public relations firm. Founded in 1997, Teak encourages responsible businesses and nonprofit organizations so that they can achieve widespread recognition that leads to increased revenue for them. As a former media reporter for Daily Newspapers, Jackie understood the power of the media and wanted to leverage it to help nonprofits and responsible businesses grow and continue their good work. As a former reporter for Daily Newspapers, Jackie understood the power of media and wants to leverage it to help nonprofits and responsible businesses grow and continue their good work. Her business, Teak Media, believes in the power of business as a force for good and Jackie is convinced that businesses have the power and the obligation to change the world for the better. By providing communication services that are based in the disciplinaries of traditional journalism and digital media, TEEC is helping important businesses grow. TEEC Media is a certified B Corp since 2013 and is a founding member of the Boston Chapter of Conscious Capitalism. I met Jackie when I became a member of the Be Local Boston group, and she is a light for the Boston community. One thing that I love about Jackie, she is such a media hound, but with all the work that she does, she considers it a privilege and an honor. Without further ado, here is my conversation with Jackie. Well, welcome, Jackie, to Responsibly Different. We are so excited to have you on.
Jackie Russell: Thanks, Brittany, for having me. Really appreciate it.
Brittany Angelo: Yeah, of course. I feel like through the B Corp community, I’ve kind of known you for a little bit now, but I’m excited to get to know you a little bit better and to understand more about Teek Media and then also for our listeners to learn about you. So in that vein, let’s talk about Teek Media and bring me back 26 years ago when you founded Teek. I’m wondering, I know Teak to be such this purpose-driven PR firm, but I’m wondering, was your journey always to start this purpose-driven PR firm?
Jackie Russell: No. Yeah, I feel like I fell into it. It was really remarkable. It found me. And what happened was, I was a reporter for print newspapers. The Eagle Tribune in Lawrence was the last paper I worked at. And I covered like education and, you know, city politics, things like that. And I left it. I was going to write a book. But meanwhile, I took this editing position with a publisher that published leisure, like sports and leisure activities. It was called World Leisure Corp. And I was editing their books. And then the publisher, because he knew I was a reporter, came to me and said, listen, We want you to promote our books, like go and do PR for our books. And I didn’t really want to do it. I didn’t really know how to do it. I never took a communications class. So I was like, yeah, no, I don’t really want to do that. And he said, well, yeah, you’re going to have to do that. So I did it. I just started doing it and made it up as I went along. And I just picked up the phone, called reporters and talked to them like a reporter and said, listen, I have a good story for you. Here it is. And I got incredible results like out of the gate, where people like, who is this young woman? Where did she come from? And how is she doing this? And I honestly didn’t know what I was doing. I was just doing it. And I actually really liked it. So I thought, you know, I was young, I was 30 at the time, which was young to start a company, but now it’s not, of course. But I just thought, well, I can do this for myself. So I talked to the publisher and I was like, listen, I’m going to start my own company. And he said, great, keep me as a client. And I said, super, thank you. And he said, I’m going to connect with a friend of mine, she needs some help. And the friend turned out to be the VP of communications for the Jimmy Fund of Dana-Farber Cancer Institute. So I did one event with them, which was the Scooper Ball, which is an all you can eat ice cream event in City Hall Plaza. They still have it. And at the time there were like nine different ice cream vendors. They would get together and they would donate ice cream for three days. People would spend $5 a ticket and then go to like all you can eat ice cream. And my job was to pack up all the ice cream in these containers and drive them around. from radio station to radio station. This was during the time of Morning Time Drive. And I had to book these interviews for Jerry Greenfield of Ben & Jerry’s. And then pick up Jerry and then drive him around the city like early from 4 a.m. to 9 a.m. with ice cream in my car. And it was so fun. And we had such a good time. And I got to know Jerry, which was incredible. He became a really good mentor of mine. Um, but more importantly than that, I knew from that first event that I needed to work with nonprofits. Like it was my calling. It was just my thing I needed to do. So from that moment, I was like, okay, Teak is just going to focus on nonprofits. And after that experience with the GB fund, they kept me on and became our real first client. And state, we were working at Farber Cancer Institute as a result for 17 years. And we promoted all like so many of their events from the Walkathon, the Pan Mass Challenge. We did that for 14 years. We did the Jimmy Fun Walk for like 12 years. We did Ice Cream Super Bowl. We did ice skating events. We did the golf tournaments. We did so like unbelievable. We just promoted them. And it was so much fun and so rewarding, like working with these families and We also promoted some of the research, some of the innovations that came from the money that was raised. And we got, you know, print TV, radio, online, we’ve got media stories about all of what was going on there. And it was incredible. And it also opened Teak up to getting additional nonprofit clients. So we stuck with that and loved it. It really opened up the door and you are very, I feel extremely lucky and blessed to have had all of those experiences. And then in 2013, we sort of, well, before that we started reading about the B Corp movement and actually my VP really showed me this article in the New York Times. She was like, we, we do this. Like we’re a company that’s, you know, purpose driven and a triple bottom line people, planet and profits. And she said, you should buy. I was like, Oh, you know, we’re too small. And then I called up Jerry and I was like, Jerry, you know, what do you think? And he’s like, you have to apply, do it. And I did. And we, you know, we’re accepted. And we’ve been renewing ever, ever since. But that, so that’s been what 10 years now that we’ve been a B Corp. But that opened up opportunities for us in the corporate world. you know, beyond nonprofits and working with responsible companies as well. And it really became a giant passion of mine to expand beyond nonprofits. I just talked a lot. So did I answer your question?
Brittany Angelo: No, you totally did. And I mean, like, selfishly, I kind of want to like, pull maybe a little bit more out of you and say, like, having having that time in the car with Jerry of Ben and Jerry’s must have been so fruitful and so helpful to you. So I’m kind of wondering, like, were there any like quick little tips that you could share with us? Like, like, what do you remember from those days?
Jackie Russell: was never back down on your values, that the values are everything in business. And he also told me at the time, if you need to take on a tech company here and there to feed your nonprofit habit, do it. It’s okay. Like he gave me that commission to expand beyond if we needed more money. And you know what? We did it maybe twice, honestly, in the 26 years we’ve been around. And this was early on and we haven’t done it in many, in 20 years easy. taken on anything that was not within, I mean, even those tech companies were not, they weren’t against our values by any means. They just weren’t necessarily responsible companies. But you know, I thought that was great advice, you know, coming from the man who basically, in my opinion, started the corporate social responsibility movement. So if he was giving me the okay, you know, he was just a bench in every way possible and brilliant. And I was extremely blessed to have had that time with him.
Brittany Angelo: Yeah, I feel like one of my favorite episodes that is on the Responsibly Different podcast is Ben Marine of Dear Girl Collective interviewing Ben of Ben & Jerry’s, Ben Cohen. And I imagine that although Ben and Jerry are not the same person, I imagine that they have similar messages to share, since they did start the company together. And just the advice that Ben Cohen is sharing on the podcast, I mean, one of my favorite quotes of all times comes from him where it’s like, and I’m paraphrasing, but it’s, If you can’t stand for anything, like don’t stand at all. And it’s so true, because we need companies to be making a stand. And they have to be wearing that stand on their sleeves and telling their employees and their customers and their community, however, they interact with the world, what that stand is. And I so I hear you when you say that that time was valuable. And I agree, because One, just driving in a car with somebody you have their undivided attention, so lucky you. I know.
Jackie Russell: He also taught me that you don’t always have to know exactly what you’re doing in business. It will come together. And you just don’t rely on being perfect. You’re never going to be. Just keep doing it. Keep at it. And that’s the way they did it at Ben & Jerry’s. And they learned from their mistakes. Mistakes, just like everybody else. I mean, that’s what you do. As a young entrepreneur, it was helpful for me not to have to feel like I knew everything that I was doing because I absolutely did not and still don’t.
Brittany Angelo: Yeah. Oh, cool. Well, thanks for being vulnerable and sharing that with us. I think anybody who does say that they know everything that they’re doing is lying. Um, so Jackie Teak is this business that is all about purpose. And we see that through the work that you’re doing with the purpose driven brands. But also you yourselves are purpose driven brands. So I’m wondering, as we’re as we are talking about purpose driven brands, why are purpose driven brands in business so important to the business community?
Jackie Russell: Well, listen, nonprofits are amazing and I love them and they really are the soul, I think, of our country. But the model is funky in that they have one hand that’s doing the work and one hand is constantly seeking money. If you constantly have your hand out for money, you have one hand to do the work, you can’t put all of your attention on the actual work. If we’re going to rely on nonprofits to solve our country’s problems, Our community’s problems, our climate’s problems. We’re in trouble and we need business to not only be helping in the solutions, but stopping the problem. So by having them become responsible companies, they will diminish their problem making and help with the solutions. And that’s what we really need. It has to be full circle. If we’re going to get ourselves out of this mess. And continue.
Brittany Angelo: I love that. And I think that’s a good segue into this topic that I know that you love to talk about. So I’m using your words here and I want you to kind of explain the meaning behind the words that that I’m using. So I know that you love to talk about the idea and the future of purpose and business and that movement and how purpose and business is playing a part in our polarized world. So I want to dive into kind of what do you mean when you’re saying purpose and business and polarized world?
Jackie Russell: Well, I think there’s a challenge now, right? Because we are so polarized. I’ll back up a little bit. and talk about the history. I’ve done this workshop, you know, I’ve done it at Northeastern and BU about basically the history of the B Corp movement and also the responsibility movement, because I feel like I’ve been here so long, I’ve actually watched it. I have been watching it and tracking it this whole time, which I think is super fascinating. Like each step of the way, it was always like, oh my God, yay, it’s really going to happen. It’s really going to happen. It’s really going to happen. And now, you know, purpose is a thing like there are so many companies that are trying to do it. So many more brands that are using it in their marketing, and but also just doing it trying to do the right thing, right. But our world in the meantime, has become our country, I should say. has become extremely polarized. So by vocalizing your values as a company, you know, there was this point, it was a thing that came up. It was basically around the Me Too movement. So 2016, 2017, companies, employees, there was a poll, I can’t remember who did it. Employees said to their CEOs, basically, you have 24 hours after a thing happens, like Me Too, like then later George Floyd, that sort of thing. in our country to make a statement. And companies were very busy putting out statements after anything went down in our social issues. They were like, oh, we’re not racist. We stand up for women, or we support people of all abilities. Something like this, they would start making statements. But then along the way, like after 2016, between 2016 and 20, and now moving forward even more so, it just keeps growing that our country is polarized. So what does that mean for companies that are putting out their statements about their values? It means they have a 50% chance of not getting the attention or getting negative attention from half the people. Half the people are going to say, wow, what a great company. They stand up for my values. And half are going to say, I’m not buying from them because that’s not my values. They’re different than me. So companies are faced with a choice, right? Either they have to put it out there about their values, not say anything, or kind of try to find this middle road, which doesn’t serve really anybody. And I think that Ultimately, it’s a good thing for purpose driven businesses, because the companies that really mean it and are committed to it will talk about it. And they’ll keep going. And they’ll say, I’m going to reach the people who are right for me. And it goes, you know, in different ways to their different companies who have values that are saying different than mine. And I think that they should go out there and say what they want to say to like, just whatever it is. Stand up for it and stick with it and know that you’re going to lose people, but it doesn’t matter. It’s going to make you stronger. And the bonus here is that I think, I hope marketing will become more authentic and greenwashing will disperse. It will not be as prevalent as it was back in the day when we all started talking about it. Right, right.
Brittany Angelo: No, you did. And I mean, I resonate with it a ton. I feel like in the marketing circles that I’m a part of, we’re always saying, be authentic to yourself, be authentic to your brand. If your brand doesn’t have a mission, vision, value statement, then consider writing one before you really push out marketing because then you’re going to be sending missed messages and you want your messages that you’re putting out there to be authentic to you. I totally hear that. Um, I’m actually wondering, is there a recent example or a company that you think maybe has that has gotten caught up in this polarized world where they put out a statement that didn’t that maybe wasn’t authentic, or they lost clients or consumers because of it?
Jackie Russell: Well, there was a law actually cried just this past June, I think there were a couple of companies that tripped up in their um, in their advertising and brand messaging, like there’s a beer company. I think there was a soda company and they put out, you know, they wanted to be like LGBTQ friendly and trans rights. And people were upset by it. Those who were not on board with that message were boycotting the brands. Um, and then the companies I thought mistakenly pulled back from it. you know, they should have number one thought that was going to happen because it was right. And and decided in advance, are we willing to stand up for this? And we and push through it when we get, you know, pushback, or we’re going to crumble. And if you’re going to crumble, don’t do it to begin with. So it’s just like, wait, who was in charge of that? It’s pretty obvious. It was not a giant surprise. that people were going to be anti-trans. If you read the papers, you know that a lot of people are. So that is, I think, a shocking example. Who makes these decisions? I don’t know. So what happened there is they lost both sides.
Brittany Angelo: Right, right. I hear you when you’re talking about like market what’s authentic to you. And I’m wondering, I think now that it’s, like you said, hopefully, as people are marketing authentically, there, it becomes more mainstream and greenwashing doesn’t keep happening. But you all have been doing this for so long, for 26 years. So I’m wondering, like in those early days, can you take us back to what was it like to run a purpose driven business before it was popular, before it was like the cutting edge thing to do? And like now, hopefully more people are doing it’s becoming cool. But like, what was it like 26 years ago?
Jackie Russell: You know what, again, we didn’t know I was doing this until honestly, until we joined the people up movement. And I was just doing it because it was the right thing to do, because that’s what motivated me. We only wanted to work with nonprofits because we, you know, we just didn’t want to, we wanted to help these causes grow. And by that, you know, getting the word out through media and using the media as a force for good, that’s really what I wanted to do. It’s so prevalent, you know, it’s so powerful. Um, so I, I didn’t know that I was a purpose driven business. I didn’t know there needed to be purpose driven businesses. I was just like, well, it’s going to be really fun to work for nonprofits and that’s what chooses us. So let’s do it. And that’s what we did. And then we joined the B part movement and then we learned and I grew, you know, started going to the B part conferences and then we joined conscious capitalism. And, you know, I learned from that community and all of that. So. Now I forget your question. What was it like? It was fun. It was super fun. And I felt definitely felt like, you know, we were on to something. And I was like, this is like, really fun and amazing, because not everybody’s doing this. And it works. And I just really wanted to push it out there that this works. And I wanted companies to start talking about it. Here’s what happened. So companies, even when they were in the beginning, when they were doing the right thing for the world, they weren’t talking about it because So many reasons kept them from this. So like, for example, there was this boutique on Newbury Street, and they were only put organics in only organic materials in the shop. And they use no plastic, no plastic bags, no plastic hangers, no in store, right. And they did not talk about this, they did not advertise it, they just went about their day doing the right thing, you know, for retail. And that’s it. And I was like, why are you not doing that? And the woman said, Well, you know, we don’t want people to think that we’re disingenuous, that we’re just talking about it from marketing, or, you know, trying to be like, they didn’t want to call attention to it, because they were embarrassed to look disingenuous, when really, they were so authentic, and they were not even using it for advertising. And this was like, to me, like, a giant mistake, because you need it at the time you needed more companies to talk about what they were doing so that other companies would see, hey, they’re profitable, and they’re doing the right thing, we can do it too, and help the movement grow. So that’s what happened. More companies started talking about it, they helped the movement grow, then more companies started talking about it sort of disingenuously. Trouble, you know, started to happen. But then the big boys like really came on board and talked about it in like black rock and really talked about sustainable investing and impact investing. And it just grew more and more to where people were really getting on board with the fact that number one, we need to do this. And number two, it’s really better for business. And that was really the flip of the switch. When the, when the authorities on business, like the business round table came out and said, we’ve done the research now, this was like 2018. We’ve done the research. Companies that are invested in sustainability are doing better. ESG like big time doing better. We’re only going to invest in those companies because we’re going to make it a priority because they have shown that they can withstand unstable markets better. That then it was like, OK, we’re on our way.
Brittany Angelo: Yeah, I feel like you you absolutely just nailed it there by saying like, So many more studies have started to come out since 2018. And we have the data to back it up that purpose driven brands are able to withstand better than businesses that aren’t. So I’m with you. Preaching to the choir here. Yeah.
Jackie Russell: Right.
Brittany Angelo: Well, hopefully we’re preaching to the choir with all the listeners. Okay, so I want to get into the work that Teak Media is doing. So as small as you all may be, you’re quite mighty. And you you represent some of the largest nonprofits in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, as well as international responsible companies and NGOs. So as I was reading the different types of groups that you all represent, I just want to list off for the listeners some of those different topics that we are seeing. You help mitigate climate change, the healing of the oceans, preserving conservation land, caring for wildlife, educating children from underserved communities, feeding the hungry, changing legislation around food insecurity, ending mass incarceration and gang violence, curtailing the deforestation of the rainforest, terminating anti-Semitism and racial hate, and bringing art to all communities through public art and museums. So wow, like, first of all, let’s just back up and say, like, what aren’t you all helping do? So Jackie, with all of the different topics that we know that Teak has had a part in, I’m wondering, can you go, can you dive a little bit deeper into one specific project that you all have had a part in and how the PR kind of helped drive this action forward?
Jackie Russell: Yeah, actually really interesting is the school meals for all was just passed and here in Massachusetts, which means that all school children will get free lunches. moving forward, regardless of how much their parents make or don’t make. And the reason why this is so important is because there was a lot of stigma around breakfast after the bell and, you know, or breakfast in school or food, you know, when you’re a kid and you have to go for the lunch, the free lunch, when your friends are bringing their lunch from home or whatever their stigma, it would make children not eat, not eat properly. And when you don’t eat, you can’t learn. Period. And there is a thing that really was a big deterrent to people doing well in school and then moving on and, you know, getting great careers. And education is the core of everything, you know, advancement and your future health, even your future physical health, let alone your daily health. So anyway, we worked with Project Red to get the message out to legislators about the need for free school lunch for all. And now it was passed and moving forward. And we worked on that with them for two years. And they say that the media attention we generated for the issue and for them as leaders of the issue was extremely helpful in getting it passed. So we really do feel like we were part of that team to make it happen. And that’s the way that PR works. It also works in, I mean, in terms of like changing policy, which is probably the most visual or obvious way that PR helps. But there’s so many ways that it helps in driving people and donations to an organization. We were just on a call with an organization and we were not behind this, but they told us that there was an article randomly in the Globe about what they did. And they got months later, they got $3 million donation from a foundation. All I asked for just came in because these people were so moved by what they saw. Again, nothing that Teak had to do with but it works and it’s just so moving to know that these organizations are getting funding because of positive media attention.
Brittany Angelo: So you said it now a few times and I just want to like maybe back up and define what does media attention mean to you all? Like, does it mean just being in newspapers doesn’t mean being on the news on nightly news? Like, what does media attention mean?
Jackie Russell: You know, print, TV, radio, online. So any earned media is what we do most rather than paid media, which would be advertising, but then it’s also social media, which we work in, you know, and we do content as well to get it out there. But The thing about earned media, newspapers, radio, TV, websites, and then social media with influencers is it’s like third party credibility that it drives to the organization or the company. And people believe what they read. I mean, that’s all there is to it. And we know that now on the opposite side, too, unfortunately, with all the misinformation that is out in the world today, which was not a thing when Teak started, not nearly to the extent that it is now, but people believe what they read. So when we get out news about our organizations or our companies and people believe it, you know, then they join in, they join in the mission, they donate, they volunteer, they participate. They tell their friends, they learn, you know, it’s fabulous.
Brittany Angelo: Wonderful. OK, so not to like totally switch gears, but I do want to talk about Teak being a B Corp certification. But also. You joined the National Conscious Capitalist Movement in 2014, which was right after you became a B Corp certification in 2013. And then in 2016, you were among some of the companies that found the Boston chapter of conscious capitalism. And I’m just wondering, are these two communities different? First off, because I personally am not a member or involved in the conscious capitalism movement. And then second off, why are you involved in all of these things? And like, what’s, what’s the benefit that you see as a business to being involved in both of these communities?
Jackie Russell: Uh, well, number one, it’s selfish. You know, I like being around these people who are talking about ideas and ways that we’re going to use business to make the world better. I mean, I just, I thrive on that. I love it. I’m super interested in it. So I want to be around these people. Um, and you know, I, I get engaged. It’s exciting. Um, uh, what else is the benefit? You know, we have got definitely gotten business out of it because companies will come to us. Um, and, you know, say, Hey, I need promotion. I see you’re a B Corp, um, or part of the conscious movement, conscious capitalist movement, you know, you seem like a good person to represent us because our values are aligned. So it definitely works in that way too, but not, I don’t know, just be works in the way that generates business, but it helps us align with the right businesses that we want to work with. But really it’s just fun. I want to push the movement forward. You know, if there’s anything that. Teak should be known for moving forward. I would love it to be like really helping to build business as a force for good communities.
Brittany Angelo: I love that. Um, I think for me being involved in these communities, because I do, I believe that they are similar. It helps with my burnout a little bit too. Like I get energized from the community. And when maybe I’m at like my lowest, or I’m getting tired or exhausted, and I just need something to like, re spark that flame inside of me to keep going. I find that the B Corp community totally does that for me. It absolutely helps with my burnout.
Jackie Russell: Yeah, definitely. I get inspired.
Brittany Angelo: Yeah. Of everything that Teek has accomplished in 26 years of business, what holds the most value to you?
Jackie Russell: I will say, honestly, it’s a combination of it all in that I feel like Teek has been a part, a small part, of building movement and pushing things forward and educating people. I do love that. Going to schools and talking about it or I’ve done before COVID, I used to speak a lot at conferences about the history of the movement and what we should be doing to move it forward more. I think that’s really fun and valuable. And yeah, I mean, I’m proud to be a part of it. Honestly, I’m happy to be part of it. And I’m honored to be a part of it.
Brittany Angelo: I love it, Jackie. I think we in Boston are a little bit spoiled to have you be a part of this movement with us because you have been such that that light kind of leading the way for so long. So thank you for all that you’ve done for the community. Thank you. Is there anything else that you want to leave our listeners with before we say goodbye to you?
Jackie Russell: But only that I love what you guys are doing and I’m really proud to be, you know, part with you, partnered with you. And I would love, you know, just that we’re in it together. You know, you guys stand for the same things that TEEX stands for. So it’s amazing to have more companies like you guys in the digital space doing all this work for the same reasons that TEEX is doing it. Right? It’s great.
Brittany Angelo: I agree. I agree. And Jackie, if people want to connect with Teak Media or yourself, should they be going to the website or should they be following you on LinkedIn?
Jackie Russell: Yeah, LinkedIn, website, of course. We’re on all the social.
Brittany Angelo: Awesome.
Jackie Russell: Under Teak Media. So yeah, please follow us. Reach out.
Brittany Angelo: Great. I will put that in the show notes as well for everybody so that they can easily find you. Thank you, Jackie, so much for your time today. It was absolutely a pleasure.
Jackie Russell: Thanks, Brittany. I really appreciate it.
Brittany Angelo: Thank you for tuning into this episode.
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