Evrnu® is a textile innovations company creating a circular ecosystem. A certified B Corp since 2018, Evrnu is already having a huge impact. They have been recognized by Time magazine as one of the top inventions of 2022, Stacy was listed as one of Worth’s Worthy 100 in 2021, and Forbes has shared that Evrnu’s recycled waste fiber could outperform 90% of existing textiles. In our conversation Stacy shares a peek behind the curtain, to the struggles that innovative entrepreneurs face and how she has navigated the pursuit of her personal mission.
A significant issue in the fashion industry is the colossal amount of textile waste generated each year. This waste primarily ends up in landfills, as incineration is not widely practiced. Stacy Flynn (Founder of Evrnu) and her team saw an opportunity to address both the waste problem and the lack of diversity in fiber options by finding a way to transform textile waste into new fiber.
To achieve this, they developed a technology that takes cotton textile waste and turns it into a paper pulp-like substance, which is then dissolved into a fiber called lyocell. This recycled lyocell fiber closely resembles cotton in terms of look and feel, but it is stronger than petroleum-based polymers like polyester or nylon. Additionally, the fiber is recyclable to the same or better quality, making it a sustainable alternative to traditional fibers.
Evrnu’s mission is to reduce the negative environmental impact of the textile ecosystem so that both humanity and the planet can thrive in harmony. Their vision is to spark an enlightened age of textiles, where producers and consumers reimagine their relationship with nature. This mission and vision guide their work in developing innovative solutions to transform textile waste into valuable resources.
In terms of sourcing the textile waste, Stacy explains that currently, consumers in the United States throw away about 80% of their textiles directly into the garbage because they believe there is no value in old t-shirts, sheets, or towels. However, the goal is to encourage people to donate their unwanted textiles to organizations like Goodwill or the Salvation Army. These organizations then sell what they can and send the remaining textiles to garment or textile recyclers like Evrnu. These recyclers sort, separate, and grade the materials for conversion into new textiles.
While Evrnu has the capability to break down post-consumer textile waste in their labs, they initially focus on using the easiest and cleanest feedstock, such as cut waste from a cut and sew operation or pre-consumer waste. As they continue to scale their industrial system, they plan to take on more complex materials, including post-consumer waste.
Recycling textile waste into new fiber is a vital step in creating a more sustainable and circular fashion industry. Stacy Flynn and her company, Evrnu, are at the forefront of this movement, developing innovative technologies to transform textile waste into valuable resources. By expanding the fiber portfolio and reducing textile waste, Evernu aims to create a more diverse and environmentally friendly textile ecosystem. Their work serves as an inspiration for individuals and businesses alike to embrace sustainability and make conscious choices to drive positive change in the fashion industry.
[00:00] Stacy Flynn You know, our ultimate goal is to get people into these garments and have them just love them, love the hell out of them.
[00:14] Benn Marine And when you’re done, recycle them so we can do it again. Welcome to the Responsibly Different Podcast, sharing stories and insights from people harnessing purchasing power as a force for good. On today’s episode, I am joined by Stacy Flynn, the founder and CEO of Evrnu. Evrnu is a textile innovations company creating a circular ecosystem. A certified B Corp since 2018, Evrnu is already having a huge impact. They have been recognized by Time magazine as one of the top inventions of 2022. Stacy was listed as one of Worth’s Worthy 100 in 2021. And Forbes has shared that Evrnu’s recycled waste fiber could outperform 90% of existing textiles. In our conversation, Stacy shares a peek behind the curtain to the struggles that innovative entrepreneurs face and how she has navigated the pursuit of her personal mission. To kick us off, Stacy, and to help our listeners kind of understand who you are and a little
[01:34] Stacy Flynn bit of your background, I’m so curious, what is your personal goal and mission in life? That’s a big question. You know, I, my big goal, my mission in life is to, this is going to sound crazy, but it’s to alleviate the conditions that cause human suffering. And I wasn’t, didn’t always have this as a mission. It’s something that I kind of grew into.
[02:10] Benn Marine But really, that is, that is my mission. That’s awesome. So how did you find this path?
[02:16] Stacy Flynn What kind of inspired, inspired this? You know, I’m a textile and apparel specialist by trade. And for the first, I don’t know, 15, 18 years of my career, I was very self-focused, self-motivated and did really well for myself. On this, I took a trip to China in 2010 and I saw what my industry was doing to the environment and how people were living. And that trip really was a turning point for me. You know, it was a wake up call for me that it isn’t, I’m not the only one to consider in this equation. And I shifted my focus from being solely focused on myself, my career, my life, to focusing on how do we, how do I actually participate in a bigger group and a bigger undertaking
[03:13] Benn Marine to turn some, some of these really big issues in the world around. That’s so cool. And so it sounds like that trip to China was really powerful for you.
[03:24] Stacy Flynn I’m curious, what did you learn while you were there and kind of lead us through what’s kind of grown out of that? Yeah, sure. You know, I, on this trip, you know, I’d been making apparel for quite a while and I’d been all over the world many times before 2010. And it never really hit me until this trip, how our industry is treating the environment and how people are living as a result of that treatment. I had developed a lot of pride for the scale and scope and work that I had done in the past. And that didn’t feel like pride anymore. It felt like I didn’t ask the right questions. I wasn’t focused on the right things. I was focused on my business, my performance, my company. And I wasn’t really taking into consideration all of the collateral damage that came with it. So on that trip, I got to kind of lie in the bed I made for myself. And I was there for a month. So I really got a nice dose of reality on that trip and just realized like this can’t be how the story ends.
[04:47] Benn Marine I cannot accept this to be the end of the story. So what were some of the things that you found? So for listeners that maybe aren’t as familiar with the textile industry or the clothing, fast fashion, all of that stuff, what are some of the things that maybe some of those
[05:06] Stacy Flynn kind of dirty secrets that folks would maybe be horrified to hear about? Yeah. We hear a lot about fast fashion and why it’s so bad. It does create a lot of waste. What happens on the front end, the two things that were particularly shocking to me were the air quality. My colleague and I got out of the car at this one location. We were standing right next to each other. The air was so thick with pollution we couldn’t see each other. Wow. That’s how thick it was. We got up to our meeting room midway through the room to the ceiling inside the building. Their corporate team was working under a cloud. I was just like, God, how can people live like this? You just realize there is no way when it comes to air. There is no way. Same thing with the water. The water quality, we take garbage pickup as an example for granted. A lot of the garbage ends up in the waste streams and the ditches and the water is black. No life can live in that water. You just realize without air and water, basic human survival can’t exist. Basic survival can’t exist. This is a one-way path going the wrong way. It was a real wake-up call for me to really stop and think about, okay, I’m one person. What can one person really do? I was like, well, Stace, if you’re one person and you can do all of what you’ve done up to this point,
[07:01] Benn Marine imagine what you could do if you actually tried. That’s so cool. It sounds like it’s the birth of ever new.
[07:10] Stacy Flynn It was the birth of me going back to graduate school. I never intended to create a business. I went back to graduate school too. I went to get a master’s in sustainable systems. I went to undergrad at the Fashion Institute in New York City. FIT teaches you two things. They teach you how to speak a language of the industry and they help you leverage connections. What you learn in class is completely up to you, but those are the two things you walk away with if you really work it. You learn how to speak the language and you learn how to leverage contacts. I wanted to do the same thing in the area of sustainability. How do I learn to speak this language? Because in 2010, we were starting to talk about sustainability in the apparel industry, but it really wasn’t well understood, defined. I was like, well, if I go learn the language of sustainability from people who have been creating, writing the books, I’ll learn how to speak the language. Then I can translate that language to my industry and also meet contacts of people who have come way before me and maybe use some of their work as an example of how we might be able to turn our industry around. In that graduate program, second year, you have to pick a specialization, a track, and the tracks were local living economies, intrapreneuring, or entrepreneuring. I was in the intrapreneuring program because people paid me to do what I did. I fully intended to work for a large brand retailer or textile mill. And while I was in the intrapreneuring program, we were building a business and we actually took one of my t-shirts from a solid to a liquid and back to a solid with a syringe. So I was prototyping. So they said, you’re not an intrapreneur, you’re an entrepreneur. And I went kicking and screaming to entrepreneurship because, I mean, you have to go get funding, you have to build a business. I didn’t feel I was qualified for that. So I went very reluctantly to intrapreneuring and that’s when we started building Evrnu out. And I kind of said, all right, if this is what you want and this is where you’re going, you just got to bite the bullet and get it done.
[09:50] Benn Marine Oh my goodness, that’s so inspiring. How did you, I’m thinking for folks that are listening that are like, oh my gosh, I’m kind of there too. Like I have this thing that I want to do, but that’s terrifying. Okay, now what’s your idea? But you heard it here from here, Stacy never said start a business. So, I mean, do you, I mean, in all seriousness, I mean, it seems like you’re doing really well.
[10:18] Stacy Flynn I mean, what advice do you have for folks? So if you want to test yourself, test your, you know, if you really want to test yourself, start a business because there is adversity at every single corner. Like it may look good on the outside, but it is damn hard work. Not, I mean, not just for me, but for everybody in the company. It’s like, you know, trying to push a boulder up a hill and the boulder, you know, rolls down. Shit. Okay, now how are we going to do this again? You got to get it up a little higher. This time rolls back downhill. It’s a nonstop process of trying to figure things out, especially when you’re in the realm of doing things that haven’t been done before. And, you know, we are trying to make some changes foundationally in our business to not repeat some of the systemic issues that business creates in the world. So this is really challenging from a business perspective, from a technological perspective, from a sales process perspective.
[11:32] Benn Marine It’s, it’s riddled with challenges simply because it hasn’t been done before. That’s amazing. So now that you’re, you started Evernu, you’re, you’re, you’re right. You’re advancing the ball down the field. How did you work through that? Like, how did you, you know, obviously it’s hard, just one foot in front of the other. How did you get Evernu going?
[11:54] Stacy Flynn Yeah, you know, the, the, the thing that I had to learn how to do was, you know, I think two things that, that hold me back and that have held me back in the past are fear. Fear is a big one. Fear is huge, as well as lack of trust in myself, you know? And once I get over the, all right, we’re just going for it. We’re going to just look it right in the eyes and see it for what it is and start walking. And, you know, we’ll know if we need to move forward, but it, it is, it is really, you’ve got to trust in yourself and almost trust that the path will form as you’re walking it. Because if you’re a logical linear thinker and you want everything mapped out and safe and predictable, entrepreneurship is not your game. You know, this is like kind of walking through, you know, a hurricane to try to get to, you know, some form of, of logic. So it’s, it is really challenging, but I find that if I just, you know, address the fear, we can usually keep moving. And once you’re on the other side, it feels so good and you’re ready for the next challenge. That’s the really big thing that I’ve learned is every time I get through a challenge, I
[13:29] Benn Marine up level to see what else we can do. That’s great. So speaking of Evernu, what is the, what is the actual mission of the company?
[13:40] Stacy Flynn So Evernu’s mission, Evernu was, I should back up on Evernu. Evernu was Christo, my business partner, and I started a company called Future Resource Collective. And Future Resource Collective was essentially born as a industry think tank. Like how do we solve some wider industry issues? When we started brainstorming about where we wanted to, when we ran the system analysis on where we wanted to start, what we found was 90% of the market in the apparel industry is based on two fibers, cotton and polyester. That is a lot of product, you know, on the back of a platform that has two options. So we knew that the fiber portfolio had to be expanded and in a way that was, that you could scale. The other thing we knew was that there was a colossal amount of textile waste. I mean, in the United States alone, we’ve got 17 million tons of textile waste per year. Accumulating worldwide, we’ve got about 15 million tons of textile waste per year. So that’s going into landfills in the United States because we don’t incinerate here that much. So that we knew that if there was a way to take the waste and turn it into new fiber, we could solve two really big problems. The waste issue as well as giving more diversity on the fiber platform level. So that was the premise of the idea at FRC through Future Resource Collective. And then we started, we filed a provisional patent under FRC and then we started to realize, okay, this thing is its own entity. Let’s create another company. So we transferred the IP over to Evernu and we created Evernu as its own entity. And then we started to raise capital from investors in 2015 to start getting that off the ground. But Evernu’s specific mission is to reduce the negative environmental impact of the textile ecosystem so that humanity and the planet can thrive in harmony. That’s our stated mission. Our stated vision is to spark an enlightened age of textiles where both producers and consumers reimagine their relationship with nature.
[16:15] Benn Marine That’s cool. And so how does that manifest?
[16:18] Stacy Flynn What does that look like? So it manifests by our first technology. We’re taking cotton textile waste and we turn it into what looks like a paper pulp. And that paper pulp is being dissolved into what’s called liosel fiber. So we’re taking 100% textile waste and then we can convert it into what’s called recycled liosel. And that recycled liosel fiber looks and feels a lot more like cotton than it does anything else because you’re using cotton as a material input. But you have to call it liosel because it goes through a chemical process. So there are two really cool things about using this solvent system. First of all, we had to work with a partner to redesign the solvent system because all of the man-made cellulosics that exist out there are designed for wood pulp. So if you use a different input, you’ve got to change the system slightly. So we work to do that. But the resulting fiber is very high performing, meaning that it’s stronger than petroleum-based polymers like polyester or nylon. And the fiber is recyclable to the same or better quality coming back in as a material input. So that to us was like, once we finalized the development on that, we were thrilled. And we just had our first 10,000-pound batch distributed to the market. So people are just now getting their hands on it and people are going crazy for it, which is so fun to watch.
[18:11] Benn Marine That is really cool. So tell me about how that works. So the input, is it all post-consumer textiles? Where does it come from? I’m thinking if I have shirts that are maybe not in good enough quality to donate to a secondhand shop, do I send them your way or how does that work?
[18:30] Stacy Flynn Well, okay. Let me answer the question for you first. Right now, consumers in the United States are throwing away about 80% of their textiles directly into the garbage can because they don’t think there’s value for their old t-shirts, sheets, towels. People just don’t donate things like that because you don’t think anybody’s going to want that. So what we’ve got to try to do is figure out how we get people to start donating those things to the Goodwill Salvation Army, wherever you donate. Because wherever you’re donating, those folks try to resell whatever they can. What they can’t resell, they bail up and they send to what are called garment recyclers or textile recyclers. They open up these bales and sort, separate, and grade for secondary markets like Evernu to come and buy those materials to be converted into new textiles. Public service announcement is we should be donating all of our textiles so that we can start getting these systems in place. The second part of your question is, is it post-consumer? In our labs, we can break down post-consumer. We can break down everything in our labs. But every time we scale our industrial system, we start with the easiest, cleanest feed stock. We’re using cut waste from a cut and sew operation that’s cotton, or we’re using pre-consumer waste, ideally white or undyed. Then as you industrialize, you can add on more complexity to take on medium colors and dark colors. Then the most complex is post-consumer. Everybody wears their clothes differently. Deodorant, as one example, is a really, once deodorant gets into that amorphous region of the cotton, you have to get the aluminum out. So it has to be treated differently than you might treat a pre-consumer item. It just really depends on what it’s… That’s why it’s critical to grade your feed stock pre-consumer, post-consumer, light, medium, dark.
[21:05] Benn Marine And that’s how we regrade it. That’s so cool. And so now if I’m a manufacturer listening and I make some clothing, something, I don’t know, hats, I don’t know, I’m making stuff up here, right? Can I purchase your product to make my stuff or how does that work?
[21:21] Stacy Flynn Yeah. So we are prototyping right now with a bunch of folks to get them into the fiber to test it. And we are building the first garment recycling facility in the U.S. right now. Our first garment recycling facility, it’s under… We’ve got long lead time equipment sitting in the parking lot. We’re ready to break the roof and start installing it. So what we’re working on right now is finalizing the financing and getting the market to make the commitment to purchase the product so that we can get that financing lined up. So that’s why the sampling is so critical right now. So we’re sampling with people who can help us get those orders in place so that we can get this
[22:13] Benn Marine show on the road. That’s awesome. And so I’m thinking in case those last two questions didn’t cover it, how can folks
[22:20] Stacy Flynn support your work? So, you know, I always say there are three ways, you know, when it comes to sustainable apparel, it sounds crazy, but we need to buy, we need to wear the things we buy. A lot of people buy things, they sit in your closet, they might still have tags on them. That should be minimized as much as possible. The most sustainable clothing is the clothing we wear. So, you know, from there, we, you know, another way to support is to start donating your clothes and all of your textiles, start donating. And then third is as New Cycle becomes commercially available and technologies like New Cycle, start buying them and trying them and see what you see what you like, see what you don’t like. We are, you know, textile specialists by trade, but, you know, our ultimate goal is to get people into these garments and have them just love them, love the hell out of them. And when you’re done, recycle them so we can do it again. I’m curious, what has been one of your most memorable products to work on and that you’ve seen go to market? So, I worked, I was the first hire into Target’s raw materials division when Target brought their design and development in-house in the early 2000s. And I worked on their ultimate Chino program. And I was one of a few people on a cross-functional team, but that was one of the coolest projects because we were able to really, you know, I went out and I bought the Chino, I bought Chinos from men’s, women’s and kids and lined them all up. And honestly, no one was doing it well on the market. And I was like, all right, let’s start this process. So we started looking at the, you know, how we can improve the way the fabric felt. We started to look at how we could look at different finishes. And we started talking to different finishing suppliers on how we could create performance attributes. And by the time the product got to market, it fit well, it felt great, it was priced right, and it performed well. It blew out of the stores. So that was really the biggest program that I’ve worked on in my career. And that was a big one. Now, if you fast forward to today, what I would love to do is make sure that it was recyclable so we could take it all back and recycle it. So my career has evolved since then, but that was a really exciting program because it was so massive.
[25:14] Benn Marine That’s really cool. And speaking of Target, on your website, you all mentioned your featured brand partners, which many of them are, I think, household names that folks would definitely be familiar with, like Adidas, Levi’s, Target, and Stell McCartney. Can you share with us how these companies are leading global brands in seeking sustainable alternatives? I know some of those brands might not be what we think of top of mind when thinking about sustainability.
[25:40] Stacy Flynn So just curious how you navigate those waters. Great question. I would say that we’re at a point in history where every brand and retailer has to take sustainability seriously. So even the ones that are in the public eye, you just won’t be able to compete in the future once we get to a point where consumers start demanding that their products be lower impact and recyclable. This is where the world is going. So we talk a lot about the circular economy. All of our brand partners, and we’re working with over 40 brand partners in the pipeline, the commonality amongst them all is they are all aligned to reducing impact and doing what they need to do to reduce impact. The board of directors are requiring it. Their customers are requiring it. So we’re starting to really see a shift in it’s not a nice to have. It’s a requirement at this point. So that’s really incredible that the world has matured to this point. Because when I started this company, when I started researching back in 2010, 2011, no one was talking about recyclability of apparel at even at the highest levels. So in just 12 years, we’ve come a long way. So I’m excited to see what the next 10 years brings. Because I actually think we’re going to start demonstrating that these technologies are possible and that consumers prefer them over things that are not recyclable.
[27:30] Benn Marine Absolutely. And I think that that’s really cool to point out that some of these brands that folks might traditionally think of as sustainable are taking very seriously those sustainable steps. And that it is a journey that folks as individuals, but also businesses, are all on. So that’s really, really cool. I’m curious, what would you say from your experience are some of the larger flaws about the fashion industry as it relates to our environmental crisis and what’s giving you
[28:01] Stacy Flynn hope and inspiration for the future? Yeah. So my biggest beef with the apparel industry is we are not moving fast enough. The industry is so big. You have to kiss the ring of so many different decision makers to get decisions made within a corporation. You almost need a master’s degree to navigate these political landscapes. It sucks. And I would love to see the CEOs just say, here’s the mandate. Do it. And then have their teams come find us and say, all right, here are the deals we’re willing to put together to get this done. How can you go faster? That’s what I want to see from, and that’s what we need to see from the industry. So what gives me hope is we’re starting to get there. I think there’s enough executive leadership buy-in at this point to know that this is where we need to go. As I talk, I can appreciate their position because it is really hard to maintain. We’re at a crossroads. We’re straddling the way the world is, and we know we’ve got to get to the way the world needs to be. But it takes time. There are so many considerations that need to go into that. I hope that our technologies can be helpful at getting these brands and retailers to make decisions faster, to show demonstrated traction faster, and ultimately improve their business performance. Absolutely. Yeah. We are also a social purpose corp in Washington state. So social purpose corp and B Corp are important. They’re important to me personally because we really do… Part of the problem we have in this world is that CEOs are required to maximize shareholder profit, which, let’s face it, you can do damage to people and you can do damage to the environment if all you’re thinking about is profit. So I think the B Corp, as well as the SPC filing, allow us to basically say, look, we’re not giving ourselves a pass on profitability, but we are not going to damage people or the environment to do it. And I think that that’s what raises the bar. And that’s why B Corps are so cool because they’re saying, we are going to hit our profitability targets, and we are also going to do it in a way where people’s lives are better as a result. And we are minimizing our damage to the environment and hopefully getting ourselves into a regenerative state with the environment as well. And I’m curious, how did you hear about B Corp certification? Grad school. When I went and got my MBA in sustainable systems, we had a presentation from B Corps and that was a consideration when I started Evernu.
[31:38] Benn Marine That’s amazing. And so over this whole kind of journey, thinking about sustainability, and you mentioned the word regeneration. I’m so curious, what are some, I mean, obviously the work that you’re doing is literally regenerative in its own right, right? If we can give a second life to things, that’s amazing. Or use all of the material that’s, you know, being used in production of different facilities and whatnot. What are you kind of dreaming with an eye to the future? Like, what are kind of some of your big ideas or big solutions that you think can really help advance
[32:12] Stacy Flynn us all as a collective species forward? Oh, God, that’s a big question. That’s a big question for sure. I, you know, I read all the books that come out and, you know, when Paul Hawkins says investing in women and girls is the number one thing we can do to advance our efforts around climate change. I absolutely believe that. And I also believe systemically, education, we need to invest in education, we’ve been divesting in education in the United States. And, you know, there’s a direct erosion to democracy when you divest in education. So, you know, there are some really big issues that we’ve got. And I mean, you can look, just go down the list, healthcare, huge healthcare issues. So there, I’m focusing on one very small piece of what I hope will, we’re going to be moving into an era where, you know, we’re really looking at how do we systemically solve some of these big issues in the world, and hopefully do it in the first 50 years of the century. So the back half of the century, you know, it’s a little bit easier for the next generations to take it and sustain themselves and grow it. That would be, and I think that that’s what everybody’s vision is to kind of get ourselves back into alignment with nature. Once you’re in alignment with nature, and you’re in a reciprocity model where you give at the same rate you take, you can sustain forever in that model. But right now, we’re taking a lot more than we’re giving. And that’s what we’re all trying to change in our own way.
[34:07] Benn Marine RG I love that you brought up reciprocity. I literally just finished reading Braiding Sweetgrass. I don’t know if you’re familiar with that book, but her whole theme was like all about reciprocity,
[34:18] Stacy Flynn and it definitely shifted the way I think about things for sure. What’s on the horizon forever new? Well, we’re getting this facility set up. And then behind it, we’ve got, you know, this hyperscale plan, like how do we take all the all the garment waste that exists and break it down. So evernew has several technologies in our pipeline, so we can break down all kinds of polymers. So we’re doing a lot of work on that. But you know, the ultimate vision is all clothing, you know, that is produced can be broken down in the future. So that’s what we’re working toward.
[34:57] Benn Marine RG That’s amazing. And what about I’m so curious, speaking of kind of like the future and B Corps and kind of all of the things we’ve covered, are there partnerships that have either helped you kind of within the B Corp community or that, you know, could be helpful in the future?
[35:14] Stacy Flynn You know, partnerships across the board are absolutely critical because we are just one company, we’re kind of a drop in the ocean in this equation, we’ve, we’ve got to have strong partnerships. You know, I’ve had people reach out to me because we’re B Corp for business, and I’ve had I’ve reached out to other people because they’re B Corps as a business. So there’s almost a kind of a like a established standard when you’re a B Corp, because it’s not easy to be a B Corp, it’s not easy to maintain your B Corp status. But if you’re committed, you know, it’s you know that you’re you’re talking to someone that at least has a standard in place that is
[36:04] Benn Marine aligned. So it does make a difference to me. What advice do you have for for listeners that are looking to make a difference leveraging business as a force for good?
[36:14] Stacy Flynn Oh, man, I would say the one piece of advice I give everyone is, don’t forget that people can’t see what you see. And I underestimated that for a long time. And, you know, everybody has their own path. And if you’re if you’re willing to walk toward that fearful state, toward getting your business or your idea off the ground, you are on your life path. And the world becomes a better place if we’ve got more people stepping up and taking a chance on themselves. So that would be my bit of advice. It is scary as hell. Don’t get me wrong. It’s not easy. I won’t sugarcoat it. But it’s also really cool when people step up and follow their own path because,
[37:07] Benn Marine you know, it you never know who you might inspire. Thanks so much for tuning in today. We hope you all have a happy Thanksgiving. We are so grateful for you for tuning in and all of the work that you’re doing out in the world. It is so important. Keep going. Enjoy the day today. If you are planning on attending Champions Retreat next week, definitely drop Brittany and I a note at content at deargocollective.com. We would love to hear from you and meet up at Champions Retreat next week. Till next time, be responsibly different and have a safe and happy holiday. This episode was produced by yours truly, Benn Marine. Music was composed and performed by Kevin Oates. This podcast is brought to you by our parent company, Deargo Collective. To learn more about Deargo Collective, visit deargocollective.com. To explore other episodes and resources from Responsibly Different, visit responsiblydifferent.com.